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	<title>Comments on: Designing on the cheap with open source software</title>
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		<title>By: Alicia St Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.milienzo.com/2007/06/18/designing-on-the-cheap-with-open-source-software/comment-page-1/#comment-12955</link>
		<dc:creator>Alicia St Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 10:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just getting into web design. I&#039;m originally a fine artist. I&#039;ve only used Gimp and Inkscape for the graphics and images on the few sites I&#039;ve made.
I started off using Gimp because the Adobe Suite was so prohibitive in price. Now, I&#039;m kind of like a rebel and want to use open source solely.
I find Inkscape .46 is absolutely amazing and the new blur function is an awesome addition. I mock up my sites in Gimp, create graphics and icons in Inkscape. I&#039;m using these apps on a Mac running Leopard. Using the X11 environment.

For those who found the interfaces confusing, there are indeph manuals under &quot;help&quot; with tutorials and the like. It&#039;ll take several hours to read through, but hey, 3 hours or 1000 + bucks?


here are a few sites: 

spencerthegardener(dot)com
potomitan(dot)net
paigewilsonarts(dot)com

Of course, I&#039;d still have to use adobe Flash (once I learn it adequately). Would be nice to have an open source version of that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just getting into web design. I&#8217;m originally a fine artist. I&#8217;ve only used Gimp and Inkscape for the graphics and images on the few sites I&#8217;ve made.<br />
I started off using Gimp because the Adobe Suite was so prohibitive in price. Now, I&#8217;m kind of like a rebel and want to use open source solely.<br />
I find Inkscape .46 is absolutely amazing and the new blur function is an awesome addition. I mock up my sites in Gimp, create graphics and icons in Inkscape. I&#8217;m using these apps on a Mac running Leopard. Using the X11 environment.</p>
<p>For those who found the interfaces confusing, there are indeph manuals under &#8220;help&#8221; with tutorials and the like. It&#8217;ll take several hours to read through, but hey, 3 hours or 1000 + bucks?</p>
<p>here are a few sites: </p>
<p>spencerthegardener(dot)com<br />
potomitan(dot)net<br />
paigewilsonarts(dot)com</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;d still have to use adobe Flash (once I learn it adequately). Would be nice to have an open source version of that!</p>
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		<title>By: Garry S</title>
		<link>http://www.milienzo.com/2007/06/18/designing-on-the-cheap-with-open-source-software/comment-page-1/#comment-10466</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You left out one pretty important open source platform - Joomla!  Huge world-wide developer community, CMS website platform, over 2700 extensions, most free, some commercial, terrific support forums.  I&#039;m a big fan.  

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You left out one pretty important open source platform &#8211; Joomla!  Huge world-wide developer community, CMS website platform, over 2700 extensions, most free, some commercial, terrific support forums.  I&#8217;m a big fan.  </p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Byron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Byron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement that many of the open source applications aren&#039;t on the same level.  Inkscape and even Scribus are no competition for Adobe&#039;s offerings.  On the other hand, I&#039;ve used both Photoshop and the GIMP for years, and I think it&#039;s largely a matter of taste: over time I&#039;ve grown to prefer the GIMP for most tasks.

It&#039;s not true, though, that open source can&#039;t be much better than commercial stuff: most of the Internet was built on open source, and open source apps still run the Net--Perl, PHP, Apache, etc. and a lot of back-end stuff most people have no idea about.

What&#039;s interesting is that until recently, the developers of open source software were geeks who only cared about the technical merits of their software, so user interfaces were horrible, and little effort went into anything that wasn&#039;t extremely technical.  But in the last few years there&#039;s been a lot of work going into the user interface side, and more open source multimedia/graphic applications.  In the next few years I&#039;m sure we&#039;ll see much stronger offerings from the open source front in those areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement that many of the open source applications aren&#8217;t on the same level.  Inkscape and even Scribus are no competition for Adobe&#8217;s offerings.  On the other hand, I&#8217;ve used both Photoshop and the GIMP for years, and I think it&#8217;s largely a matter of taste: over time I&#8217;ve grown to prefer the GIMP for most tasks.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not true, though, that open source can&#8217;t be much better than commercial stuff: most of the Internet was built on open source, and open source apps still run the Net&#8211;Perl, PHP, Apache, etc. and a lot of back-end stuff most people have no idea about.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting is that until recently, the developers of open source software were geeks who only cared about the technical merits of their software, so user interfaces were horrible, and little effort went into anything that wasn&#8217;t extremely technical.  But in the last few years there&#8217;s been a lot of work going into the user interface side, and more open source multimedia/graphic applications.  In the next few years I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll see much stronger offerings from the open source front in those areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.milienzo.com/2007/06/18/designing-on-the-cheap-with-open-source-software/comment-page-1/#comment-1028</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Psycho Dude - only just spotted your message - apologies for not replying sooner. I agree wholeheartedly about open source walking in the shadows and never taking the lead. I guess thats what well paid R&amp;D teams are paid to do, and that&#039;s one thing commercial applications have which open source doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psycho Dude &#8211; only just spotted your message &#8211; apologies for not replying sooner. I agree wholeheartedly about open source walking in the shadows and never taking the lead. I guess thats what well paid R&#038;D teams are paid to do, and that&#8217;s one thing commercial applications have which open source doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin - To be honest, I can&#039;t see the open source apps ever seriously competing with commercial. I think open source options are a good healthy addition to the market place but if anyone is ever going to compete with Adobe it will be another commercial suite.

I actually think the future of software is all internet delivered (like Google Docs), and I&#039;ve seen a few random internet image manipulation applications already. The technology is currently a million miles off Photoshop but if you&#039;re talking about competition this is where I think it will come from. Give it a few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin &#8211; To be honest, I can&#8217;t see the open source apps ever seriously competing with commercial. I think open source options are a good healthy addition to the market place but if anyone is ever going to compete with Adobe it will be another commercial suite.</p>
<p>I actually think the future of software is all internet delivered (like Google Docs), and I&#8217;ve seen a few random internet image manipulation applications already. The technology is currently a million miles off Photoshop but if you&#8217;re talking about competition this is where I think it will come from. Give it a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Kistner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Kistner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 05:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that no competitor of size has come to knock Photoshop off it&#039;s Ivory Tower. It&#039;s what gave Adobe their incredible strength in the design market. With Photoshop at the core of nearly every digital creative discipline, Adobe was able to establish the workspace look and feel. Bundling it all together as a suite was their final blow. I&#039;d be interested to see if GIMP can make a real run at the Adobromedia empire. I&#039;m actually surprised to see it&#039;s still around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that no competitor of size has come to knock Photoshop off it&#8217;s Ivory Tower. It&#8217;s what gave Adobe their incredible strength in the design market. With Photoshop at the core of nearly every digital creative discipline, Adobe was able to establish the workspace look and feel. Bundling it all together as a suite was their final blow. I&#8217;d be interested to see if GIMP can make a real run at the Adobromedia empire. I&#8217;m actually surprised to see it&#8217;s still around.</p>
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		<title>By: Psycho Dude</title>
		<link>http://www.milienzo.com/2007/06/18/designing-on-the-cheap-with-open-source-software/comment-page-1/#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>Psycho Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You get what you pay for, pay nothing get &quot;nothing&quot;. I won&#039;t say everything open source is bad, since it definitely isn&#039;t the case. But it has it&#039;s limits. In my opinion Scribus is the only option which truly stands a chance, simply due to the rather simplistic nature of publishing software compared to advanced graphics software and such.

For me personally though buy the Adobe suite isn&#039;t worth the money either, I hardly make use of it even if I have a couple of the students versions of a couple of the applications that&#039;s the max I&#039;ll ever invest in Adobe material.

Perhaps a couple of years from now the open source alternatives would be on a higher level which would give it more use, but for not it simply lacks behind. It tends to keep walking in the shadows of the commercial products rather than taking the leap ahead and coming with a GUI which works just as well, features which are equal or better in quality to that of the commercial products, usability, etcetera.

And when taking a look at photoshop or GIMP in example... I must say I haven&#039;t checked gimpshop, but GIMP seriously lacks on the GUI completely and due to that accessibility isn&#039;t present at all, rendering most features completely useless if you don&#039;t want to spend days on figuring out where you can find everything.

Making a long story short: Open source has the potential of becoming something great, but it&#039;s definitely far from there yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You get what you pay for, pay nothing get &#8220;nothing&#8221;. I won&#8217;t say everything open source is bad, since it definitely isn&#8217;t the case. But it has it&#8217;s limits. In my opinion Scribus is the only option which truly stands a chance, simply due to the rather simplistic nature of publishing software compared to advanced graphics software and such.</p>
<p>For me personally though buy the Adobe suite isn&#8217;t worth the money either, I hardly make use of it even if I have a couple of the students versions of a couple of the applications that&#8217;s the max I&#8217;ll ever invest in Adobe material.</p>
<p>Perhaps a couple of years from now the open source alternatives would be on a higher level which would give it more use, but for not it simply lacks behind. It tends to keep walking in the shadows of the commercial products rather than taking the leap ahead and coming with a GUI which works just as well, features which are equal or better in quality to that of the commercial products, usability, etcetera.</p>
<p>And when taking a look at photoshop or GIMP in example&#8230; I must say I haven&#8217;t checked gimpshop, but GIMP seriously lacks on the GUI completely and due to that accessibility isn&#8217;t present at all, rendering most features completely useless if you don&#8217;t want to spend days on figuring out where you can find everything.</p>
<p>Making a long story short: Open source has the potential of becoming something great, but it&#8217;s definitely far from there yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Enderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Enderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CS3 totally kicks bottom over previous versions - for all applications in the suite! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CS3 totally kicks bottom over previous versions &#8211; for all applications in the suite! <img src='http://www.milienzo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Enderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Enderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely the latter of the two! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely the latter of the two! <img src='http://www.milienzo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LaurenMarie</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaurenMarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize PDF was fully editable like that. I&#039;ll have to look into the settings more when exporting from InDesign!

And I agree with Paul&#039;s comment earlier about the programs needing to be intuitive. Adobe has far more resources to spend improving their suite in that way. However, it wasn&#039;t always intuitive for any of us; I tutored many students when I was still in college that refused to learn the keyboard shortcuts for things like the move tool or the pen tool. It really slows you down when you don&#039;t know them by heart! Hehe, but if you asked me what the specific keys were to select those various tools, I wouldn&#039;t be able to tell you!! My mind knows what I want and my fingers just hit the right buttons :D

You are right, Aaron, in saying that the learning curve is just too steep for us to be willing to put the time into it. We already have something we know, and it&#039;s not like we have to upgrade CS every time a new version comes out (though I hear that CS3 is quite a breakthrough and it uses far less system resources than CS2). These programs would probably be great for those who have ideas and not the money to buy CS. I was always teased about using a PC throughout school (everyone used a Mac naturally), but it&#039;s not about the program or the platform, it&#039;s about the ideas. Who cares how you execute them? Well, your printer might...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize PDF was fully editable like that. I&#8217;ll have to look into the settings more when exporting from InDesign!</p>
<p>And I agree with Paul&#8217;s comment earlier about the programs needing to be intuitive. Adobe has far more resources to spend improving their suite in that way. However, it wasn&#8217;t always intuitive for any of us; I tutored many students when I was still in college that refused to learn the keyboard shortcuts for things like the move tool or the pen tool. It really slows you down when you don&#8217;t know them by heart! Hehe, but if you asked me what the specific keys were to select those various tools, I wouldn&#8217;t be able to tell you!! My mind knows what I want and my fingers just hit the right buttons <img src='http://www.milienzo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You are right, Aaron, in saying that the learning curve is just too steep for us to be willing to put the time into it. We already have something we know, and it&#8217;s not like we have to upgrade CS every time a new version comes out (though I hear that CS3 is quite a breakthrough and it uses far less system resources than CS2). These programs would probably be great for those who have ideas and not the money to buy CS. I was always teased about using a PC throughout school (everyone used a Mac naturally), but it&#8217;s not about the program or the platform, it&#8217;s about the ideas. Who cares how you execute them? Well, your printer might&#8230;</p>
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