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		<title>By: GraphicPedia &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Graphic Design for Creating Well-Designed Websites</title>
		<link>http://www.milienzo.com/2007/05/31/when-does-inspiration-become-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-36050</link>
		<dc:creator>GraphicPedia &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Graphic Design for Creating Well-Designed Websites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When does inspiration become plagiarism? (Great discussion in Aaron’s article) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Romeo</title>
		<link>http://www.milienzo.com/2007/05/31/when-does-inspiration-become-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator>Romeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no parthenogenesis in art or design on that part, long time now... 
But still an I believe that we are daily bombarded by information based on design, some times even accidentaly we copy. I remember seeing a video that a TV guy put 2 known designers to come to his office and design a certain logo while he put them to drive to the building from a certain path and they actually designed what he thought and already prepared without them even knowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no parthenogenesis in art or design on that part, long time now&#8230;<br />
But still an I believe that we are daily bombarded by information based on design, some times even accidentaly we copy. I remember seeing a video that a TV guy put 2 known designers to come to his office and design a certain logo while he put them to drive to the building from a certain path and they actually designed what he thought and already prepared without them even knowing.</p>
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		<title>By: Sera Strawbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.milienzo.com/2007/05/31/when-does-inspiration-become-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Sera Strawbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 03:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha, good advice, I will give that a try =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha, good advice, I will give that a try =)</p>
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		<title>By: David Airey :: Graphic Design Edinburgh ::</title>
		<link>http://www.milienzo.com/2007/05/31/when-does-inspiration-become-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-588</link>
		<dc:creator>David Airey :: Graphic Design Edinburgh ::</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 18:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asgeir brought up a point that I was going to mention, about the subconscious mind. It&#039;s why the topic is such a grey area.

We create design from what we&#039;ve been exposed to. Of course in your example with the flyer / magazine, you can cross the line in a big way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asgeir brought up a point that I was going to mention, about the subconscious mind. It&#8217;s why the topic is such a grey area.</p>
<p>We create design from what we&#8217;ve been exposed to. Of course in your example with the flyer / magazine, you can cross the line in a big way.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asgeir, that is an interesting clip however, it&#039;s far from plagiarism. Influence through a controlled environment is a standard form of teaching. And if you apply my initial 3 points to the video, it makes more sense. Those guys had 30 minutes to come up with something. As I&#039;ve grown over the years, I toss out the first five things I come up with. I know it&#039;s all regurgitated work/influence that I need to filter through to achieve something new.

I also think younger designers are more prone to coping not because of lack of ideas but more so as a learning experience. As a young illustrator, I would copy all my favorite pin-up artists. As I grew into a style and technique, I stopped looking at &#039;my favorites&#039; and started creating work from scratch. Sometimes we copy as a means of understanding.

The difference here is, there was no commercial value in my copying other illustrators. The drawings sat on my wall and I never submitted them in place of my own work. 
Designers are part of mass communication and should be weary of doing such things. 

I think it&#039;s important to mention this as well, as It&#039;s happened to me before. Clients will give direction and reference other&#039;s work too. Sometimes we can fall victim to that without knowing it. I had one client years ago, send me comps from another designer ( it took me a day to realize the client hadn&#039;t sketched the comps themselves ), naturally I laughed and told them to get written permission from the real designer before I began working. I had another client send me an ad asking if I could recreate the look for their company. I&#039;ve also had Creative Directors do the same thing. I scrutinize creative briefs too. Depending on who wrote them, they can lead us into the wrong direction and in some cases, emulate an existing campaign or design. But to your point, yesâ€“some people just blatantly copy.

Sera,
Start painting pictures of things you personally own in your house. Heck, start a self-portrait. There is no way she could be &#039;inspired,&#039; to the exact solution you created. ;)

opps, this one was a little long. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asgeir, that is an interesting clip however, it&#8217;s far from plagiarism. Influence through a controlled environment is a standard form of teaching. And if you apply my initial 3 points to the video, it makes more sense. Those guys had 30 minutes to come up with something. As I&#8217;ve grown over the years, I toss out the first five things I come up with. I know it&#8217;s all regurgitated work/influence that I need to filter through to achieve something new.</p>
<p>I also think younger designers are more prone to coping not because of lack of ideas but more so as a learning experience. As a young illustrator, I would copy all my favorite pin-up artists. As I grew into a style and technique, I stopped looking at &#8216;my favorites&#8217; and started creating work from scratch. Sometimes we copy as a means of understanding.</p>
<p>The difference here is, there was no commercial value in my copying other illustrators. The drawings sat on my wall and I never submitted them in place of my own work.<br />
Designers are part of mass communication and should be weary of doing such things. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important to mention this as well, as It&#8217;s happened to me before. Clients will give direction and reference other&#8217;s work too. Sometimes we can fall victim to that without knowing it. I had one client years ago, send me comps from another designer ( it took me a day to realize the client hadn&#8217;t sketched the comps themselves ), naturally I laughed and told them to get written permission from the real designer before I began working. I had another client send me an ad asking if I could recreate the look for their company. I&#8217;ve also had Creative Directors do the same thing. I scrutinize creative briefs too. Depending on who wrote them, they can lead us into the wrong direction and in some cases, emulate an existing campaign or design. But to your point, yesâ€“some people just blatantly copy.</p>
<p>Sera,<br />
Start painting pictures of things you personally own in your house. Heck, start a self-portrait. There is no way she could be &#8216;inspired,&#8217; to the exact solution you created. <img src='http://www.milienzo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>opps, this one was a little long. <img src='http://www.milienzo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
		<link>http://www.milienzo.com/2007/05/31/when-does-inspiration-become-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-586</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subconscious plagiarism is quite abstract since it&#039;s something we can&#039;t really control, so it might show up here and there but normally we wouldn&#039;t notice it. I don&#039;t think you can plagiarize enough of someones idea subconsciously for it to be a problem. It&#039;s the conscious plagiarism we should worry about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subconscious plagiarism is quite abstract since it&#8217;s something we can&#8217;t really control, so it might show up here and there but normally we wouldn&#8217;t notice it. I don&#8217;t think you can plagiarize enough of someones idea subconsciously for it to be a problem. It&#8217;s the conscious plagiarism we should worry about.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Sera&lt;/strong&gt; - I also look at other designers work for inspiration. As we&#039;re learning our trade I think we have to don&#039;t we?

The girl that sits next to you: try painting something really rubbish like a three year old would paint, and see if she copies you. If she does, flick paint at her. That&#039;s what I&#039;d do anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Sera</strong> &#8211; I also look at other designers work for inspiration. As we&#8217;re learning our trade I think we have to don&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>The girl that sits next to you: try painting something really rubbish like a three year old would paint, and see if she copies you. If she does, flick paint at her. That&#8217;s what I&#8217;d do anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Asgeir&lt;/strong&gt; - That&#039;s an interesting link you post. I think &lt;em&gt;subconscious&lt;/em&gt; plagiarism is something that all of us do. I think it&#039;s an entirely natural function of the brain to absorb sights, sounds and feelings. Because it happens in the subconscious it&#039;s probably a bit unfair to call it plagiarism. I think that IS inspiration.

&lt;strong&gt;Justin&lt;/strong&gt; - So if the original owner doesn&#039;t know, that isn&#039;t plagiarism? ;) I think you make a good point about &lt;em&gt;adding value&lt;/em&gt; to an original work. In essence you&#039;re developing a piece of work beyond what it is originally and making it your own. I think that is inspiration.

&lt;strong&gt;Marc&lt;/strong&gt; - I actually think a lot of designers have a dirty secret about stealing others work. With my job I buy a lot of design and I see a lot of recycled ideas. I think your list of &#039;unfortunate problems&#039; is very valid though: where I work is very risk-averse (afraid of new) and we always have very tight deadlines. Therefore I see a lot of obvious and &lt;em&gt;safe&lt;/em&gt; design. This isn&#039;t plagiarism, it&#039;s just a bit lazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Asgeir</strong> &#8211; That&#8217;s an interesting link you post. I think <em>subconscious</em> plagiarism is something that all of us do. I think it&#8217;s an entirely natural function of the brain to absorb sights, sounds and feelings. Because it happens in the subconscious it&#8217;s probably a bit unfair to call it plagiarism. I think that IS inspiration.</p>
<p><strong>Justin</strong> &#8211; So if the original owner doesn&#8217;t know, that isn&#8217;t plagiarism? <img src='http://www.milienzo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I think you make a good point about <em>adding value</em> to an original work. In essence you&#8217;re developing a piece of work beyond what it is originally and making it your own. I think that is inspiration.</p>
<p><strong>Marc</strong> &#8211; I actually think a lot of designers have a dirty secret about stealing others work. With my job I buy a lot of design and I see a lot of recycled ideas. I think your list of &#8216;unfortunate problems&#8217; is very valid though: where I work is very risk-averse (afraid of new) and we always have very tight deadlines. Therefore I see a lot of obvious and <em>safe</em> design. This isn&#8217;t plagiarism, it&#8217;s just a bit lazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Sera Strawbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sera Strawbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 04:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting topic!

I do look at lots of other designer&#039;s work for inspiration but I can say I&#039;ve never copied anything. If I am going to build on the idea of another, I always do my best to make it my own first in some way, or else, what&#039;s the point? If I completely copy, then I&#039;ve learned nothing.

I&#039;ve imitated before but only when the assignment calls for it. And assignments in college sometimes call for a lot of imitating =( I&#039;ve done two Van Gogh paintings just this quarter. Anyway, I&#039;m rambling .. 

Right now I&#039;m in a painting class and there is a girl who seems to steal ideas all the time. I paint a swirly tree, she paints a swirly tree. I use texture, she uses texture. She&#039;s always near and watching and asking what I&#039;m doing next. Would that be considered plagiarism?

I&#039;m flattered that she likes my style, but on the other hand .. it&#039;s mine! =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic!</p>
<p>I do look at lots of other designer&#8217;s work for inspiration but I can say I&#8217;ve never copied anything. If I am going to build on the idea of another, I always do my best to make it my own first in some way, or else, what&#8217;s the point? If I completely copy, then I&#8217;ve learned nothing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve imitated before but only when the assignment calls for it. And assignments in college sometimes call for a lot of imitating =( I&#8217;ve done two Van Gogh paintings just this quarter. Anyway, I&#8217;m rambling .. </p>
<p>Right now I&#8217;m in a painting class and there is a girl who seems to steal ideas all the time. I paint a swirly tree, she paints a swirly tree. I use texture, she uses texture. She&#8217;s always near and watching and asking what I&#8217;m doing next. Would that be considered plagiarism?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m flattered that she likes my style, but on the other hand .. it&#8217;s mine! =)</p>
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		<title>By: Asgeir Hoem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asgeir Hoem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,
I agree it has been taken out of its original context, but   then again, that&#039;s how quotes usually end up. It still makes a valid point in this discussion.

&quot;Seriously, I do not believe other designers dirty little secrets are, that they steal others work.&quot;

I agree, but the subconscious &#039;stealing&#039; - if that term can be used - is still a common incident.

The clip you and others posted a month is interesting to consider in this discussion as well:
http://uniqueepitome.blogspot.com/2007/05/other-creative-process.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,<br />
I agree it has been taken out of its original context, but   then again, that&#8217;s how quotes usually end up. It still makes a valid point in this discussion.</p>
<p>&#8220;Seriously, I do not believe other designers dirty little secrets are, that they steal others work.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree, but the subconscious &#8217;stealing&#8217; &#8211; if that term can be used &#8211; is still a common incident.</p>
<p>The clip you and others posted a month is interesting to consider in this discussion as well:<br />
<a href="http://uniqueepitome.blogspot.com/2007/05/other-creative-process.html" rel="nofollow">http://uniqueepitome.blogspot.com/2007/05/other-creative-process.html</a></p>
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